Posted by: shannynmoore | May 31, 2009

Christian Fundamentalist Terrorism

Christian Fundamentalist Terrorism.

It’s shocking to write. But it’s time to start calling it what it is.

When Jim D. Adkisson walked into the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church with 76 rounds and a shot-gun, he killed 2 people and was charged with murder. His motive was “he hated the liberal movement” and was upset with “liberals in general as well as gays.” He should have been charged with terrorism.

Today George Tiller, a Wichita doctor, was killed INSIDE the lobby of his Wichita church. Reformation Lutheran Church became a crime scene; fundamentalist terrorism.

The right wing media hacks make targets of the left. The fundamentalist reverends blather their intolerance of other Americans. Their marriages are in jeopardy if the GLBT community can walk down an aisle. Their children are going to be molested if you have to rent to a same sex couple. Fear…fear…fear the queer.

Bill O’Reilly’s hit piece on Dr. Tiller is a training tape for Christian Fundamentalist Terrorists. Never did he ask the woman interviewed how she, as a 13 year old, got pregnant, who the father was, or where her parents were when she underwent an abortion at Dr. Tiller’s clinic. I’m sure O’Reilly’s drivel will insist on personal accountability for the murderer. I’m sure he won’t be in line for any “accountability” for calling the doctor “Tiller the baby-killer” or his clinic a “death mill.”

Are anti-choice groups celebrating today? An abortion doctor is dead so women won’t have unwanted pregnancies!

The “war on terror” needs to include domestic religious fundamentalist terrorists.

That makes as much sense as abstinence only.

Andrew Sullivan’s Take.

From the “Christian News Wire”:  Yet another connection between Pres. Obama and late-term abortionist George Tiller


Responses

  1. Yes, some of them are celebrating. At Redstate there was a comment already saying he got what he deserved. Sick, just sick and sad that this is what it comes to. Of course it is almost as bad on our side.. some of the people on the left are saying it is Pres. Obama’s fault because he wants to be moderate with the pro-life people.

    At “Ameriablog John is angry at Pres. Obama because he says he pulled back the memo and said had Obama held firm in the face of the criticism last month, he’d be riding high right now and the GOP would be cowering in shame for having basically enabled this terrorist act. But Democrats rarely look to the future, nor do they see benefit in having a spine or doing what’s right. And now a man is dead.”

    That’s a direct quote from the blog…We have to stick together, this has always been the problem, we Dems can’t hold together.

    This is a sad day, sad for the family, and just sad for the pro-choice movement overall.

    But we need to use it for good, not to eat our own. We need to show them they are wrong, not punish ourselves. Thank you Shannyn for putting words to the anger I am feeling. It is the right I am angry with, the Christian Fundamentalist Terrorist who would destroy us all, over Choices love, Choices in our body and just Choices in general.

  2. End tax exempt status for churches. Fanning the flames of hatred is a for-profit activity.

    • Boy, I aree. I won’t watch Anch. Ch 2 because of the SOS blitz!

  3. This is tragic. My heart goes out to this doctor’s family and friends.
    It never ceases to amaze me that many “pro-lifers” are anything but what they claim to be. The “Christian” fundamentalists need to keep their religion and their hands off my body and out of my life. Keep it in your own churches and bedrooms. Shannyn you are right. This is terrorism in its worst form. No different than the Taliban. Those who incite and approve of this violence should be held accountable.
    I am so sick of these people trying to dictate their “morality” on everyone else and gathering money in their “churches” to push their causes. It used to be that offerings went to feeding the poor… Whatever happened to “live and let live”, the Golden Rule , tolerance and compassion? If there is a god, he/she is crying today.

  4. http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/domestic-terrorists-kill-again-in-kansas/

  5. Shannyn thanks for picking this up…I caught it right off the wire and posted this @ Gryphens blog:

    OT:Dr. George Tiller, who worked at a Woman’s clinic in Wichita,KA..was shot to death on his way to church this morning.
    Now these are the Pro-life people,GINO’s base that did this! The “Uterine police” as Shannyn calls them!
    RIP Dr. Tiller.

    These are GINO’s RTL base! American Jihadist’s, domestic terrorists! They hide behind “Jesus” to make it “OK” same with the marriage issue. I am so sick of these “PRO life” nutcases running around and killing people. I did read they have caught a suspect.
    Using phony “morals” to shove their beliefs down our throats!
    Enough is enough!

  6. Well done post.
    I have noticed that most anti-choice christians, use old testament or pre-christian references. War and hate, they get off on it!
    I know this is murder and I suspect this is a hate crime.
    Bill Bill O’Reilly should be called into court or a DA or the FCC and answer to someone just what his reasoning is for such choice of words.
    Prevo and his “church” really needs to lose it’s tax exempt status – STAY OUT OF POLITICS – religion does not belong there.

  7. You know, having thought a lot about the subject, frankly I am sick and tired of the pretend-christians telling the rest of the country what to do.
    I was raised in a Lutheran family – I have since left my church and my beliefs lie along the spiritual line rather than straight line Christianity.
    Why is it that those of us who tend to be open minded are vilified by these morons who stuff Jesus into everyone’s face? Like Jesus would KILL a physician on principle.
    This is NOT a Christian country. It is a country that allows people freedom of religion.
    Last time I looked or read, Jesus didn’t advocate killing people over things that people disagree over. And how do you manage to put “Thou Shalt Not Kill” into the bible and just add exceptions? I mean really – it’s ok for “them” to kill when it’s right in “their” beliefs.
    Domestic terrorism covers it. The right wingnuts like Bill Orally who have advocated killing this man are responsible and will continue to advocate killing because evidently in their little pea brains, Jesus would kill those he disagreed with.
    So they took god out of the equation totally and the whole judgment thing – it’s now in their hands.

    Who gave them the right?

    Who’s next?

  8. Shannyn,

    Thanks for your post.
    I agree.
    It’s long past time to call these people what they are.

    Terrorists.

  9. Thought it was important to post this link by a woman who knew Dr. Tiller as a caring doctor in several circumstances. It’s short, but a good counter to some of the stuff out there. Note, he also helped folks adopt when women were able to make that choice. We are all the poorer for his death.

    http://loree920.dailykos.com/

    And when will we start holding the O’Reilly/Hannity/Beck/Limbaugh/Coulter/et al types responsible for hate-mongering and being accessories before the fact.

    redwoodmuse

  10. Tiller was a Navy Vet, wasn’t he? One more plank in the conservatives’ war against Vietnam Vets and other Veterans?

  11. Okay, I just read the piece on the “Christian”??????Wire. Operation Rescue came to San Jose CA in the 90s threatening to take over the city for a week to protest abortions. Folks turned out to counter them en masse. As I recall they stayed a couple of days and then left. Not enough support.

    One day while walking home from work I had to go through a group of men…no women…who were protesting in front of a clinic. When the guy pushed literature at me, I said, “When you can get pregnant I’ll talk to you about abortion.” His only answer was to call me a ‘c**t’ and threaten to hit me. It couldn’t have been more clear that the issue was not ‘babies’ but power over women.
    I’ve never forgotten.

    As for the Christians who are bleating , ‘don’t lump us all together’, I say to them…these people are claiming your tribe’s name…it is not my responsibility to sort you out…it is your responsibility to make it clear that they don’t speak for you. I hear a lot of griping, but I don’t see a lot of action that would differentiate you from them.

    just saying…

    redwoodmuse

    • Awesome post Redwoodmuse🙂
      It is funny how it is the men more than the women? I’ve always wondered about that?

  12. Can you imagine what Palin could ( will) say if she ends up as a commentator, or a host on a talk show like Limbaugh or O’Reilley?

    As I sit here, I remember the final scene from the movie Easy Rider, when it originally came out. I think of skin head violence. I think of Hitler.

    I think of just how much violence is possible and how quickly it is possible when people like Palin–sorry, but she is sooooo close to home—-are unwittingly given validity due to lack of vetting, lack of courage to force confrontation ( by individuals as well as media) , to “politeness” that we extend out of respect for each other simply because the “other’ exist. Validity that we freely give another because we dont feel it is politically correct to “judge” when our heads and guts tell us we are encountering evil.

    Unfortunatel that we allow—or perhaps it is because we have no real process for dealing with—evil to develop to the extent we do before we take serious efforts to halt that evil.

    HOW DID PALIN GET TO BE GOVERNOR, AND TO RUN FOR VP? THE SAME WAY HITLER CLAIMED HIS RIGHT TO RULE.

    “The only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. ” Martin Luther King.

    So many of our “good” people end up being more dangerous than the bad guys due to inertia, apathy or just plain cowardice. The excuse “I have my family to think of” is the worse excuse I have gotten. If they were really thinking of their family, those apathetic would understand they are teaching their kids to sit back and do nothing, just like mom and dad. Let someone else take the “blows to the head” let someone else stick their head out of the fox hole.

    I get really pissed when I hear people comment on blogs that “someone ought to file a complaint about such and such Palin does. WHY DONT THEY FILE THE COMPLAINT ??

    I guess they have their family to think of.

    Oh and yeah, I have filed my complaints for decades doing over 6 years of civil rights litigation in the process against the government so don’t bother asking me what I have done.

    Been there, done that and still doing it.

  13. Good post.
    However; we must face the reality of the situation. This is not a Democrat vs. Republican issue.
    Let the media spin it however they choose. We, as citizens, must weigh and judge the issues at hand.
    Murder is murder, and it is wrong. The reason is irrelevant. Willfully taking a life, not in self defense or the defense of another is wrong.
    Many years back some folks decided that bombing abortion clinics were not acts of terrorism. In fact they were not. Under U.S. law they were actually acts of treason. This holds true for any American citizen who acts in a violent manner on U.S. soil. Simply put terrorists are not U.S. citizens. Under our countries laws McViegh and several others committed treason. Bear in mind this is a much higher crime than terrorism. Perhaps that is why prosecutors are so reluctant to enforce it.
    I liken anyone who acts in this manner to the same group. Bombing clinics, spiking trees, blowing up research clinics are all one in the same.
    I will admit, I do not condone abortion, neither do I condone the death penalty.
    Life is sacred, regardless of the point someone chooses to end it.
    Perhaps it is time for all citizens to demand and expect one thing from our government. A true separation of church & state will only happen when the federal government stops trying to legislate morality.
    Keep up the good work, but please remember that far more people are neither left or right, they are in the center.
    Peace
    Griff

  14. Ms. Moore:

    How have the authorities already defined motive in the murder of Mr. Tiller? The suspect has only been apprehended, and already the press at Huffington Post has convicted the man of ‘domestic terrorism.” Has the suspect been charged as yet? This seems to be sensationalist journalism at its finest.

    If you are so ready to label ‘domestic religious fundamentalist terrorists’, would you also be so kind to explain to the reading public what this label constitutes? Is your blog and radio program also an exercise in hyperbole?

    Would those who oppose abortion, or who exercise the right to belong to anti-abortion groups, be included in the ‘dangerous’ category? Would talk show hosts? Would bloggers? How many people do you assume share guilt for the murder of Mr. Tiller?

    We should all condemn murder, for any reason. Agreed? But is your frazzled response to a murder an excuse to deny habeus corpus to American citizens who disagree with your views?

  15. In another story on Huff, Randall Terry, who founded the anti-abortion organization Operation Rescue, stepping down as director in 1989, but still tied to it in slimy ways as it’s gone bankrupt after being fined and resurfaced under other names. One office has a location in Witchita, Kansas (how convenient for proximity to Tiller). Randall Terry also has a radio show. On Wiki he is shown to reside in D.C. but for years has protested and been arrested throughout the US.

    Part of Terry’s statement on Huff:
    “George Tiller was a mass-murderer. We grieve for him that he did not have time to properly prepare his soul to face God. I am more concerned that the Obama Administration will use Tiller’s killing to intimidate pro-lifers into surrendering our most effective rhetoric and actions. Abortion is still murder. And we still must call abortion by its proper name; murder.

    Those men and women who slaughter the unborn are murderers according to the Law of God. We must continue to expose them in our communities and peacefully protest them at their offices and homes, and yes, even their churches.”

    The fact he was more concerned with Obama’s statement disgusts me. More concerned that their “most effective rhetoric and actions” would be made illegal if laws are passed which they should be as it is domestic terrorism. The burning and explosions of clinics and killing of people like Tiller.

    In honesty, everytime I hear this man speak on shows that invite him to talk, I’m surprised I still have a working TV. He should be banned from airwaves anywhere. He incites hatred and violence. Add him to the list that redwoodmuse shows above of O’Reilly et al.

    I endured protests at a clinic I worked near for a number of years. I carried a spikeend like umbrella EVERYDAY rain or shine never knowing when they would surface. Used it a few times trying to make my way home as the clinic was between my workplace and my home. Police then began to escort us around the protest. I finally moved and drove to work. (Should have drove over a few!!) Later I left the job after they set fires and later destroyed it by explosion.

    Should you wish to read of this scum, look at his Wiki page. His personal life sure is disgusting too in treatment of family.

  16. Well written Shannyn. The majority of Christians should stand up and condemn the actions of Radical Christian Terrorist. The same way they have been calling for the majority of Muslims to stand up and condemn Radical Muslim Terrorist.

    RawStory.com picked up on your post (at Huffington):

    “Blogger: Call it ‘Christian terrorism'”

  17. I followed the murders in the UU church pretty closely, and I don’t recall there being any reason to consider Jim D. Adkisson a Christian Fundamentalist. In fact, he complained about having been forced to go to church as a child. You should provide some evidence, or offer a correction.

  18. Liberal Blogs Quickly Link Doctor’s Murder to Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rusty-weiss/2009/05/31/liberal-blogs-quickly-link-doctor-s-murder-limbaugh-hannity-beck

    How Long Will It Take Media To Tag Tiller Murderer As Not Part of Prolife Movement?
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2009/05/31/how-long-will-it-take-media-tag-tiller-murderer-not-part-prolife-movemen

    • Sorry you don’t get off that easily and we are NOT that stupid!!!
      from Yahoo news:
      A man with the same name as the suspect has a criminal record and a background of anti-abortion postings on sympathetic Web sites. In one post written in 2007 on the Web site for the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, a man identifying himself as Scott Roeder asked if anyone had thought of attending Tiller’s church to ask the doctor and other worshippers about his work. “Doesn’t seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller,” the post said.

      And Hannity,Beck,limpballs, and anyone else that goes around sowing the seeds of hate and divisiveness needs to be held responsible.
      A line needs to be drawn between “free speech” and “hate speech”! It seems Faux & co crosses that line quite frequently!

  19. We were saddled with the “Patriot Act”. Time to start using it on our own home grown brand of domestic terrorists; the Christian Taliban.

    And why are we not prosecuting for ‘hate speech’? Don’t tell me one of these guys hasn’t crossed that line at one point or another.

  20. Wonderful my friend

    Thank you

  21. Bill O’Reilly is a sad, pathetic excuse for a “news journalist”.

    I never really thought about Christian Fundamentalists as terrorists but you’ve definately sparked my interest.

  22. From: http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/sarah-palin-dodges-question-anti-abortion-t

    Who does this sound like below?

    The Department of Homeland Security issued an internal report last month which Director Janet Napolitano received criticism from conservative groups for saying just that, defining rightwing extremism as:

    A movement of rightwing groups or individuals who can be broadly divided into those who are primarily hate-oriented, and those who are mainly antigovernment and reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority. This term also may refer to rightwing extremist movements that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration. (also known as far right, extreme right

    • Why, GINO of course!

  23. It’s about time we hold the instigators responsible when a moron actually goes and kills someone because they’ve been slurping the sauce of hate from the usual suspects.
    I like how they spew this vile BS and run like cowards to hide when someone commits a crime because of their hate speech….

  24. http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE54U1JW20090601

    “We feel that this is an act of an isolated individual, however our investigation continues,” said Wichita deputy police chief Tom Stolz.

    Stolz said they were investigating whether the shooter had any ties to anti-abortion groups.”

    This article from Reuters published on June 01, 2009 verifies that the accusations forwarded by Ms. Moore and published in the Huffington Post site were a result of hasty journalism and not fact. There had not been, as of May 31, 2009, any evidence linking the suspect in the Tiller killing with so-called “Christian Fundamentalist Terrorism.”

  25. Frances, Frances, Frances, tsk tsk tsk Why in such a hurry to divorce Roeder from your Christian Fundamentalist Terrorism? Could it be hard to face that even Homeland Security calls right wing extremists the biggest domestic threat facing America?

    Cops, like the MSM, are notoriously slow to find out what a little good research can tell any interested citizen. They are often even slower to say what they found. I’ve got 30 years of experience to back me up there.

    To borrow from crystalwolfakacaligirl (thanks friend)
    from Yahoo news:
    A man with the same name as the suspect has a criminal record and a background of anti-abortion postings on sympathetic Web sites. In one post written in 2007 on the Web site for the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, a man identifying himself as Scott Roeder asked if anyone had thought of attending Tiller’s church to ask the doctor and other worshippers about his work. “Doesn’t seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller,” the post said.

    —-
    You could keep lying to yourself, but the truth will set you free.

    redwoodmuse

  26. @Redwoodmuse:

    Assumptions seem to be the rule of the day on this site. Where did you make the connection between my posts and an association to Christian Fundamentalism? (“your Christian Fundamentalism’)…I would to champion the cause of any group falsely libelled by insinuations and not factual evidence. That is a principle of freedom, which I support, and free speech.

    So, has the liberal left now wedded itself to Homeland Security? Will wonders never cease? I, personally, feel that Homeland Security does not protect the rights of individual citizens; it is a force for elite interest protection. Chertoff declared that the term domestic terrorist would apply to ANYONE who would to come against the architecture of the 21st century.

    I appreciate your inclination to ascribe meaning to rumours, but at this point the association between the suspect (suspect means he is not even guilty at this point) and the anti-abortion groups has not been validated by the police or law. If you have information otherwise, I would be delighted to see it.

    Denying the rights to habeus corpus to any group of citizens declared arbitrarily dangerous to the state is a practice that I consider truly unAmerican.

    What is this transcendental signified ‘truth’?

    • “WICHITA, Kan. – Scott Roeder harbored a burning, “eye-for-an-eye” anger toward abortion doctors. He once subscribed to a magazine suggesting “justifiable homicide” against them, and apparently likened Dr. George Tiller to the Nazi death-camp doctor Josef Mengele.

      Roeder, 51, was in jail Monday on suspicion of murder, accused of shooting Tiller to death on Sunday as the doctor served as an usher at his Lutheran church in Wichita.”
      “Roeder’s family life began unraveling more than a decade ago when he got involved with anti-government groups, and then became “very religious in an Old Testament, eye-for-an-eye way,” his former wife, Lindsey Roeder, told The Associated Press.

      ‘Anti-tax stuff came first’
      “The anti-tax stuff came first, and then it grew and grew. He became very anti-abortion,” said Lindsey Roeder, who was married to Scott Roeder for 10 years but “strongly disagrees with his beliefs.”

      “That’s all he cared about is anti-abortion. `The church is this. God is this.’ Yadda yadda,” she said.”

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31052280/

      ’nuff said…..!

  27. Gov. Palin commented about the Tiller murder on her Facebook page this morning :

    “I feel sorrow for the Tiller family. I respect the sanctity of life and the tragedy that took place today in Kansas clearly violates respect for life. This murder also damages the positive message of life, for the unborn, and for those living. Ask yourself, ‘What will those who have not yet decided personally where they stand on this issue take away from today’s event in Kansas?’ Regardless of my strong objection to Dr. Tiller’s abortion practices, violence is never an answer in advancing the pro-life message.”

  28. I was wondering when (if) Palin would issue a reaction. There is one issue nationally that she has a strong voice and that is the anti-abortion, right-to- life group. A strong condemnation from her to her followers was what was needed, a message that she was reviled by the act, a genuine message of outrage. Alas, she seemed more focused on the impact this event would have on the (abortion issue) undecideds. She expressed more moral indignation with respect to the treatment of Miss California.

  29. Wow, what a great post, Shannyn.

    Considering the without sin throw the first stone thingy, the person who killed this guy has no defense. He was playing God. Hatred by terrorism is not Jesus’ way; rather, the commandment of Jesus is “love thy neighbor as thyself.”

    Let no man tell you what the Bible says, I found that human beings are living souls, as all living creatures, with the physical breath of life; that same spirit returns to God at death. The spirit of God. The body or soul is nothing without the breath of life. Furthermore, the old testament refers to family like chattel; even the man that lost his whole family was restored whole. Thus, I believe no one has the right to tell anyone else how to live or how to believe.

    Millions of children die each year from lack of sanitary water, unnecessary wars and negligence. And then there’s Dafur. Shameful. If a person doesn’t believe in abortion, don’t have one. Period. Plain and simple. All sins are the same, except blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. Pray for others, then let go, let God handle it, quit playing God.

    How a church could object science when the Creator created all what we call science, I don’t know.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this murder ends up before the Supreme Court, for one reason or another. With currently 5 judges of a same church doctrine faith, same like-minded as fundamentalist on abortion. And the appointment of the one now under consideration would make that number 6; yet, only one 1 protestant(sp) with a nation of over 51% protestant.

    Sorry for all my rantin’, expression is not one of my talents…Ohhhhhh…OT

    Shannyn, I watched a documentary film that featured a teenager from Alaska who began researching the Gerson diet, as a cancer cure. “The Beautiful Truth” was the title and I watched it via computer from Netflix. I was really impressed. It was his homeschool project.

  30. Christian Fundamentalist Terrorists are a fringe group, but they are a damn large and organized fringe.

    The Southern Poverty Law Center details them by state and organization.

    http://www.splcenter.org/index.jsp

  31. Hal Turner was charged with incitement to violence in Connecticut, arrested in New Jersey and was to show up in court today for extradition.

    Pray O’Reilly is next. Extradition to Kansas!


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