Posted by: shannynmoore | September 20, 2009

Bill Maher’s New Rules On Healthcare

If your ears are sensitive to profanity…well, ear muffs. Bill is spot on about why healthcare is so expensive…



  1. I am starting to believe that our democratic leaders are not being honest with us regarding health care reform. They are too cowardly to just admit they are not going to allow a public option because it would cut back the health insurance companies donations to their election campaigns. At least the Republicans, scum that they are, admit they don’t want health care reform at any price.

    • I so agree anyone else ready to become an independent??

  2. Maher really ticked me off on this one.

    OBVIOUSLY he has never had to “want” in his life, or grocery shopped for a family on a budget.

    I agree completely with the following comment:

    Eclectic Radical

    The problem is that much of the ‘crappy food’ that Mr. Maher advocates taxing is extremely low priced, highly processed food purchased primarily by poor Americans who cannot afford anything better. This is why Americans below the poverty line, ironically, are more likely to suffer from obesity. Soda pop and Kool Aid are cheaper than real juice. Processed meat with lots of additives is cheaper than the real thing. Highly processed white bread is cheaper than whole grain bread. The beat goes on.

    Taxing the crappy food doesn’t solve the problem, it compounds the problem by making it more difficult for people who are already feeling the strain of feeding their families to buy groceries. The notion that a ‘sin tax’ on food can solve ‘the problem’ is proof of a failure to properly understand the problem. For someone who expressed a great deal of dismay of the failure to address the problem of poverty during the presidential elections, Maher displays a lack of understanding of the problems of the poor that is not to his credit.

    The government should not regulate what people eat. What it can do is use regulatory agencies to ensure the food we eat is NOT crap in the first place. This should not take the form of taxation or restrictive regulation on consumer choice. It should take the form of enforcing the regulations that exist and tightening some regulations to insure that the food people buy is good for them, rich or poor.

    • I am in sympathy and agreement about trying to eat decently on a budget. I’ve come up with some options that might help others. Those like Mahre who don’t have a family to feed and have plenty of income if they did, don’t have a clue what it is like for families and retirees on budgets. Amen to the government enforcing existing laws to ensure food production (especially imports) are safe.

      I don’t buy much juice because it is so high like you said, although there are some cheaper brands that are lower priced, but taste like c**p. Now I buy those little packets that you empty into water and they taste okay and can often be found at a very low price at many dollar stores. Mostly, I drink tea because it is the cheapest and you can have it hot or cold. I’ve taken to mixing two or three different flavors for variety.

      As for processed meat versus fresh. We live in a rural area and only have 3 options for meats – WalMart, Kroger, or a butcher. So I buy the cheapest cuts I can find – usually the roasts or stewing meat. You can marinate them for a couple of days with spices, vinegar, and soy or worcestshire and it will tenderize them as well as adding flavor. So we have plenty of roasts and soups that can be alternated. Luckily, our son-in-law likes to fish so he keeps our freezer stocked with that. We raise our own chickens so we have a steady supply of eggs and poultry.

      In my younger years, I baked lots of my own bread because we prefer the taste of wheat, rye, etc. over white. We used to have a bread store in the area with the stores’ returns and one could buy day old really cheap, but it shut down. Our WalMart has a rack in the back of the store (away from their regular bread area) with day old and overstocks. It is about 1/3 the price and I stock up and put it in the freezer when the rack is there. It isn’t widely promoted/advertised, so you might have to hunt it up if you have one in your area.

      I almost never buy any fresh fruits or vegetables from the grocery stores because they are so high and in the winter, we resort to canned fruits and veggies. During the growing season, I haunt the farmer’s markets and roadside stands. Most have over-ripe and damaged produce that they’ve set aside and you can usually dicker with them to take it off their hands for a much lower price and they take in some money they might not have otherwise. When we only have so much $$ to spend, we swallow our pride and try to negotiate in order to eat a little better. If the fruit or veggies aren’t perfect for eating as they are, there are tons of recipes and ways of processing them into another form.

      To be honest, I think hubby and I eat better and more sensibly/healthy now that we have to watch our shrinking dollars.

    • Last time I checked Brown rice and soy sauce at not very expensive. Neither is frozen veggies or even Top Ramon, I profoundly disagree about your view of low cost food. Americans are SIMPLY too lazy and don’t want to cook for themselves.

      • Top Ramon IS junk food…’s garbage.

        Spouse and I are fortunate enough to afford good food and I cook all the time. We do not go out for meals or order in.

        This was not always my circumstance.

        I can tell you is NOT affordable for many families.

        Families with two working parents and children with busy schedules, do not have TIME to cook.

        Consequently they live on prepared and packaged meals.

        If both parents don’t work, they cannot afford to live on one wage either.

        Your narrow minded judgmental comment is sheer ignorance.

      • Top Ramon IS junk food…’s garbage.

        Spouse and I are fortunate enough to afford good food and I cook all the time. We do not go out for meals or order in.

        This was not always my circumstance.

        I can tell you is NOT affordable for many families.

        Families with two working parents and children with busy schedules, do not have TIME to cook.

        Consequently they live on prepared and packaged meals.

        If both parents don’t work, they cannot afford to live on one wage either.

      • Sorry for the double post.

        If anyone has found themselves in line at a food bank, as MANY folks do these days (as I did 25 years ago), you will find ….cases of Kraft dinner, “ramean” noodles and hydrogenated margarine among other unsuitable fare.

        I recall last year when Palin and Billy Graham son were pretending to be sooo generous donating to the villages, in their boxes of food everyone received a pound of lard, along with their bible verse.

        The contents of their charitable boxes were shameful.

        Others that donated from across the country and overseas gave thoughtful nutritious items.

        BTW, here is the information on your “ramen” noodles:

        Instant noodles are often criticized as being unhealthy or junk food.

        A single serving of instant noodles is high in carbohydrates but low in fiber, vitamins and minerals.

        Noodles are typically fried as part of the manufacturing process, resulting in high levels of saturated fat and/or trans fat.

        Additionally, if served in an instant broth, instant noodles typically contain high amounts of sodium.

        The current U.S. Recommended Dietary Allowance of sodium for adults and children over 4 years old is 2,400 mg/day.

        Some brands may have over 3,000 mg of sodium per package in extreme cases.

        Instant noodles and the flavoring soup base also contain high amounts of monosodium glutamate.

        Instant noodles (raw)
        Nutritional value per 100 g (3.5 oz)
        Energy 450 kcal 1900 kJ
        Carbohydrates 65 g
        – Dietary fiber 2.4 g
        Fat 17 g
        – saturated 7.6 g
        – monounsaturated 6.5 g
        Protein 9 g
        Thiamine (Vit. B1) 0.7 mg 54%
        Riboflavin (Vit. B2) 0.4 mg 27%
        Niacin (Vit. B3) 5.4 mg 36%
        Folate (Vit. B9) 147 μg 37%
        Iron 4.3 mg 34%
        Potassium 120 mg 3%
        Sodium 1160 mg 50%
        One package is 80 g
        Percentages are relative to US
        recommendations for adults.
        Source: USDA

        The most recent controversy concerns dioxin and other hormone-like substances that could theoretically be extracted from the packaging and glues used to pack the instant noodles.

        As hot water is added, it was reasoned that harmful substances could seep into the soup. After a series of studies were conducted, various organizations requested changes in the packaging.[4][5]

  3. Bill is funny at times. But he missed the ball on this one. What about tying in obese teabaggers and their familys who lost the farm to agrabuisness. So now they have to eat over processed crap because the family farm cannot compete with heavily subsidised buisness interests, at our expence both financialy and health wise. All the factors which make up food problems to the world. Can be found in just about every sorry subject that stems from greed.

  4. ATTENTION!! Congress Has The Votes Needed To Pass A Public Option – TODAY

    Why A Strong Public Option Is Essential – By jacksmith – Working Class

    Robert Reich explains the pubic option:

    It’s not just because more than two thirds of the American people want a single payer health care system. And if they cant have a single payer system 77% of all Americans want a strong government-run public option on day one (86% of democrats, 75% of independents, and 72% republicans). Basically everyone.

    It’s not just because according to a new AARP POLL: 86 percent of seniors want universal healthcare security for All, including 93% of Democrats, 87% of Independents, and 78% of Republicans. With 79% of seniors supporting creating a new strong Government-run public option plan, available immediately. Including 89% of Democrats, 80% of Independents, and 61% of Republicans, STUNNING!!

    It’s not just because it will lower cost. Because a strong public option will dramatically lower cost for everyone. And dramatically improved the quality of care everyone receives in America and around the World. Rich, middle class, and poor a like.

    It’s not just because it will save trillions of dollars and prevent the needless deaths of millions more of YOU, caused by a rush to profit by the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!

    It’s not just because every expert in every field, including economist, and Nobel laureates all agree that free market based healthcare systems don’t work. Never have and never will. The US has the only truly free market based healthcare system in the World. And as you all know now, IT IS A DISASTER!

    It’s not just because providing or denying medically necessary care for profit motivations is wrong. Because it is WRONG! It’s professionally, ethically, and morally REPUGNANT!, Animalistic, VILE and EVIL.


    The public option is ESSENTIAL because over 200 million of you are trapped in the forest of the wolves. Which is the forest of the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! With no way out except through needless inhumane suffering, and DEATH. While the wolves tear at your flesh, and rip you limb from lib. Then feast on your lifeless bodies like a dead carcase for transplant parts.

    At the most vulnerable times of your lives (when you were sick and hurting), millions of you have had to fight and loose cruel, but heroic battles. Fighting against the big guns of the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! in the forest of the wolves. All because you have no place else to go. You have no other CHOICE!

    But the PUBLIC OPTION will give you someplace safe to go. And it will give us someplace safe to take you. The public option will be your refugium (your refuge). Where the wolves cannot get at you when your down, hurting, and vulnerable. Where everyone who needs it can find rest, security, comfort and the care they need. Protected by the BIG GUNS of We The People Of The United States. THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE AND COUNTRY ON EARTH.

    This is why it is so critical that we do not lead another 50 million vulnerable, uninsured Americans into the forest of the wolves, without the protections of a Strong Government-run public option. We The People Of The United States MUST NOT LET THAT HAPPEN to any more of our fellow Americans. If healthcare reform does not contain a strong public option on day one. YOU MUST! KILL IT. Or you will do far more harm than good. And millions more will die needlessly. Rich, middle class, and poor a like.

    To those who would continue to obstruct good and true healthcare reform for the American people, and who seek to trap millions more vulnerable Americans in the forest of the wolves. We will continue to fight you. We are prepared to wage all out war against you, and will eagerly DESTROY! you. Time…is…UP! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! No Co-op’s! No Triggers! NO INDIVIDUAL MANDATES! without a Strong public option on day one.

    Healthcare reform can be the GREATEST! Accomplishment of our time and century. A time when future generations may say of us, that we were all, AMERICAS GREATEST GENERATIONS.


    I therefore call on all my fellow Americans and the peoples of the World. To join us in this fight so that we may finish becoming the better America that we aspire to be for everyone.


    I have been privileged to be witness as many of you fought, and struggled to take your first breath, and your last breath on this earth. Rich, middle class, and poor a like. Life is precious.

    Whatever the cost. WE! MUST SUCCEED.

    God Bless You My Fellow Human Beings

    jacksmith – Working Class

    Things You Can Do To Help NOW!

    No Triggers!


    Krugman on heathcare (

    Senator Bernie Sanders on healthcare (

    John Garamendi on the Public Option and the Grassroots:

    Howard Dean on the Public Option

    We’re Number 37! in quality of health care

    Twitter search (#welovethenhs #NHS #hc09 #hcr #healthcar #obama #p2 #topprog #) Check it out.

  5. i was ticked off at first, too. but thinking about it, lez just get the ball rolling. i think martha is spot on – what other true improvements to the ‘system’ we live in are potentially out there?

    to me, getting chickened into taking out the end-of-life care issue from the health care bill was a major bummer. woe to sp.

    requesting ie a ‘patient will’ with all vehicle drivers (or other volunteers) may be a tiny splinter of the big picture but it is defo the right way to go. it should also be consciously renewed with the drivers license. signature required.

    it must be one of the main cost drivers and a major ethical issue. i do think it is even in the bible – u should do upon (the lowest of us) me… . even if it turns out to not reduce costs looking into this sector can only improve morale.

    iz a hard one but lez look at it – we are talking about potential human waste. somebody has an accident and is being kept alive by machines. 24/7 watch.

    either – they have relatives, who are judging the situation and deciding whether they are keeping their loved ones alive

    or they dont.

    my granny keeps telling me to let her die when her time is coming. i just hope it never will be but i know what she told me.

    i know of parents of a 21 yo who decided to take their son off the machines after the doctors confirmed an at least 80 % brain damage.

    a patient will would worst case scenario underline my grannies will. the parents of the 21 yo simply made official what we all (all who knew him) knew. he would not have wanted to live that impaired. he died shortly after the machines got switched off.

    i think it is worth looking into having relatives override the patient will. it is a tricky one because of inheritance issues. defo a legal issue.

    if a patient doesnt have relatives and is being kept alive by machines – what really happens?

    what should be happening?

    preferably what i previously decided to happen simply by putting down a patients will. i have to say, i dont have one. i would just be human waste out here in alaska.

    this is not a new thought. other countries have patients wills. i dont know the statistics on them, whether they saved any money yet or whatever. but having the legal option remains, so it must be commonly appreciated.

    money should not really have much to do with it anyways. i rather have my life given into the hands of a doctor (who decided to swear their oath and dedicate his life to saving others) than to the capitalistic decision of ‘will-my-savings-pay-for-another-day’. but, as i said, a tricky one. doctors may not always be angels, either.

  6. Maher got it right. ANd he didn’t point out that EVERYONE ate poorly, he never made that statement. This “New Rules” was pointed at those who do, and there are people out there that have financial security and still eat all of the wrong things. I didn’t take this the same way some people did evidently. I know that I eat crappy/unhealthy food, and to be honest if it was taxed I might consider not eating it. I eat it because it is convienient, easy to get, quick and readily available. The government has regulations, and the fast food industry meets those regulations or they wouldn’t be in business. Right? There are ways to eat cheaper and more healthy if people are willing to look for them.

  7. I suggest everyone go to your local food bank and just see what choices poor folk have, and while your at it think about what YOU donate (if you do).

    Just look at the donation bin at your local grocer’s, would YOU eat that? Would YOU eat what you donate to a food bank?

    From some of the posts here, I see that some folks have no idea WHAT food is good for a person to eat.

    In fact a majority of the population has no idea what food is nutritionally sound.

    Junk food isn’t just hamburgers, chips, soda etc.

    Almost anything in a package is junk food, anything out of a deli case is too.

    That turkey, roast beef and those rotisserie chickens are LOADED with , sugar, salt, saturated/trans fats and MSG.

    You might just as well fry bologna or eat spam….other foods I’m too familiar with.

    The “fresh” salads are just as bad, they all contain msg, salads in bags are preserved with sulfites unless otherwise stated.

    No MSG added means it HAS MSG……..

    Education is the key.

  8. Oops… “added MSG” means it already has MSG.

    If the FDA outlawed MSG, that would be a good start.

  9. OMG that was awesome! He speaks the uncomfortable truth. Why should the government or an insurance company pay for Floyd’s oxygen for his COPD when he continues to smoke? It’s unconsciounable (sp?) that people get 2 or even 3!!! liver transplant but contniue to not take their meds or even worse contniue to use and abuse drugs or alcohol . And hell yes this still happens.
    The argument that crappy food is cheap for and that’s how low income families feed their children needs to be revisited. All this cheap non-nutritional crap is simply EASY and convenient. You can take the same 14 bucks a family of 5 can eat at mcdonald with, and go to the store and buy 90% fat free beef, a 1/4 puond cheese, some salad greens and tomatoes and kaiser rolls , some lemons for fresh lemonade and a low fat salda dressing and you can throw together a healthy meal in 40 minutes max. We have gotten out of this mindframe. Check out the group SLOW FOOD. With education and aawreness perhaps ther can be a culture change.
    There is no reason a human needs 64 ounces of soda at one meal. We are burning out our countries collective pancreases and shouldn’t expect the government or insurance comp to pay for our metformin or insulin.
    One could begin to think it is a big co0nspiracy, couldn’t one……let’s make the dumb americans fat and stoopid and make gazillions of their illnesses. We need to wake the hell up people and take control of our own health.
    Steps off soapbox. Thanks you. Also, too.

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